The best guest ever joins the podcast this week, Stacy Hutchens, Dr. Josh Hutchens' wife! Together, they discuss the role of a pastor, focusing on the most prevalent models of pastoral ministry in American churches. Josh and Stacy emphasize the vulnerabilities of those models, such as the church's dependence on one leader and the potential for moral failures, and advocate instead for a New Testament model of plural pastor elders, emphasizing the benefits of shared leadership, wisdom, and stability.